tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5596708332568087278.post7843080190933021252..comments2024-01-24T10:39:27.668-05:00Comments on Coming Untrue: Out of His LaneDr. S. L. Andersonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06303707167715370504noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5596708332568087278.post-52620353126591218392021-11-09T08:46:06.466-05:002021-11-09T08:46:06.466-05:00We are in total agreement on that last one.We are in total agreement on that last one.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00346761712248157930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5596708332568087278.post-26005512824584346602021-11-08T22:45:26.422-05:002021-11-08T22:45:26.422-05:00Well yes.. one can find numbers that appear to sho...Well yes.. one can find numbers that appear to show a different story than what the consensus of the scientific community is saying. But as I stated above, this puts one in the position now as a statistician, attempting to make conclusions and assertions based on data. And many of us are not skilled in that discipline and certainly do not have access to the wide corpus of data which the scientific community does. So we are free to pick data as we wish, but to make firm conclusions from it is not advisable... from the perspective of the scientific disciplines of say bio-statistics, virology and epidemiology. If as you state above you believe the entire community is defiled by politics etc. and hence can not really be trusted, that's quite a different matter.<br /><br />For me, and it is only my perspective from a person who has worked in science his entire life, I acknowledge that I can't know enough to make my own independent conclusions. So I tend to trust what is being said re. the co-relation between vaccine uptake and its effect in slowing the spread of the virus. I don't see it in any different light as e.g. when I get told that the best solution to my cardiac symptoms is angioplasty. I believe that the risk benefit statements I am hearing are true and in my best interests of health.<br /><br />Lastly I don't believe in apartheid of any kind, but I do understand leadership which might for example believe a certain aged segment of their congregation would be at a higher risk given a the unvaccinated and so in the interest of public health ask or recommend people to be vaccinated. I personally do not believe in mandating, requiring or forcing people to be vaccinated. Quisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13290921435307877508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5596708332568087278.post-18935180158937836392021-11-08T04:13:07.647-05:002021-11-08T04:13:07.647-05:00Thanks for your thoughts.
A couple I know and lo...Thanks for your thoughts. <br /><br />A couple I know and love were recently told by one of their deacons that church policy is for the unvaccinated to "stay home and Zoom". The man was talking out of turn, as it happens, but it speaks to a common mindset, one that you can find coming from Christians all over Facebook.<br /><br />Believers who are currently experiencing this mild (and in some cases not so mild) form of vaccine apartheid deserve to have someone present the data that backs their choices, do they not? Contrary to the media stereotype which Mr. Piper has obviously bought into, they are not all ignorant conspiracy theorists, fearful and/or insensitive to their impact on others around them. They are just looking at different numbers than you are.<br /><br />It remains the case that there are two narratives in circulation. One has tremendous political and media power behind it, and, as you point out, has a larger number of adherents within the scientific community. That fact says more to me about about the current politicization of science than about the truth or falsehood of the claims being made.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00346761712248157930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5596708332568087278.post-46600464961100582452021-11-06T21:36:42.659-04:002021-11-06T21:36:42.659-04:00And you Tom fell into a similar trap re. the effic...And you Tom fell into a similar trap re. the efficacy of COVID vaccines by quoting statistics and trying to prove a counter argument from data which you have collected. Simply put this area of epidemiology is one which we should stay away from in terms of touting ourselves as knowing better and having a better line on the truth. Same can be said about many scientific disciplines which are outside of our ken. The best we can say is that the scientific community (which is by no means decided on everything) appears to be in the majority in favour of X or uncertain on Y. BTW I am not sticking up for Mr. Piper. Like the rest of us, he gets to look at data and make a decision for himself. Unlike us, he should be very careful when he starts making public statements when he knows he has a large audience and who perhaps did not ask for his opinion. Quisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13290921435307877508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5596708332568087278.post-17361764000157880582021-10-30T18:38:06.049-04:002021-10-30T18:38:06.049-04:00Yep. And millions pay attention to what he says.Yep. And millions pay attention to what he says.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00346761712248157930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5596708332568087278.post-84384481920217537722021-10-30T11:37:16.229-04:002021-10-30T11:37:16.229-04:00I wish I was surrounded by a cloud of the faithful...I wish I was surrounded by a cloud of the faithful exhorting me to follow my conscience. Piper is at best out of touch. At worst...Appendix Christihttp://dmlpresents.comnoreply@blogger.com